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		<title>By: JG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...I thought I answered your (1st) question: &quot;praise is nice&quot; (albeit not necessary) and I hope the person I show it/stuff/work to will enjoy it (this doesn&#039;t necessarily mean &quot;like&quot;---they may just enjoy the process of breaking the poem down, editing, etc.).

Also, I&#039;m not necessarily thinking of sharing art depending on its &quot;goodness&quot; (hehe) or strength.  For example: I love to sing.  I have a decent voice, better than most---but I won&#039;t sing in public.  I want to but I won&#039;t.  I want to be in a band, musical theatre, go caroling at Christmas, etc.  But I won&#039;t.  I might with a few drinks in me but (as you know) that almost never happens.  It&#039;s not the &quot;goodness&quot; (hehe) that holds me back---but I remember being mocked as a child by my mother and best friend&#039;s mother for constantly singing and having a vibrato.

And because of the info. we do know about Darger, I start to wonder about how his childhood and religious beliefs played into his desire/inability/reticence to share his art with others.  And even his desire to create at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;I thought I answered your (1st) question: &#8220;praise is nice&#8221; (albeit not necessary) and I hope the person I show it/stuff/work to will enjoy it (this doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean &#8220;like&#8221;&#8212;they may just enjoy the process of breaking the poem down, editing, etc.).</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m not necessarily thinking of sharing art depending on its &#8220;goodness&#8221; (hehe) or strength.  For example: I love to sing.  I have a decent voice, better than most&#8212;but I won&#8217;t sing in public.  I want to but I won&#8217;t.  I want to be in a band, musical theatre, go caroling at Christmas, etc.  But I won&#8217;t.  I might with a few drinks in me but (as you know) that almost never happens.  It&#8217;s not the &#8220;goodness&#8221; (hehe) that holds me back&#8212;but I remember being mocked as a child by my mother and best friend&#8217;s mother for constantly singing and having a vibrato.</p>
<p>And because of the info. we do know about Darger, I start to wonder about how his childhood and religious beliefs played into his desire/inability/reticence to share his art with others.  And even his desire to create at all.</p>
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		<title>By: S.O.S</title>
		<link>http://puzzlebox.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/realms-of-the-unreal/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>S.O.S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the pleasure is in the creation (and I believe that it is), then why show it to anyone at all once it&#039;s finished? Why not place it to the side and begin the next piece?  Particularly if one doesn&#039;t seek praise or critique.  That&#039;s what I find interesting about Darger and other Outsider artists.   Though we can&#039;t know Darger&#039;s inner thoughts regarding whether he wanted to share his work, we know he created art in the solitude of his home, without sharing.  The same goes for Bill Traylor, a freed slave who started drawing when he was in his 80s--simply out of a desire to draw.  He went to his grave having tried to satisfy the creative impulse, but without bringing attention to himself for doing so.  

A variation of this question came up last semester in the nonfiction workshop when Ray asked whether the students in the class would keep writing if they knew their work wouldn&#039;t be published, and no one would ever read it. My answer is yes because I&#039;ve always written and without thought to publication.  I don&#039;t feel terribly compelled to try to publish my poetry, primarily because I&#039;m never certain it&#039;s that good, but I enjoy working on it. In those instances I do feel satisfied finishing a poem, then putting it aside and starting another.  On the other hand, I tend to have an eye toward publication when I&#039;m working on my essays. And if those essays were never going to be read/published, I&#039;d like to think I&#039;d still craft them. The same goes with my visual art.  I&#039;m content to scribble and draw in my sketchbook and not show anyone what I&#039;m doing, but I&#039;m always interested in showing my photography. (So, I guess my response to your last question has to do with how I perceive the strength of my work...when I&#039;m confident in its quality, I&#039;m willing to share.  When I&#039;m not, I&#039;m willing to work on it and keep it to myself.) (Which brings in the issue of ego, I suppose)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the pleasure is in the creation (and I believe that it is), then why show it to anyone at all once it&#8217;s finished? Why not place it to the side and begin the next piece?  Particularly if one doesn&#8217;t seek praise or critique.  That&#8217;s what I find interesting about Darger and other Outsider artists.   Though we can&#8217;t know Darger&#8217;s inner thoughts regarding whether he wanted to share his work, we know he created art in the solitude of his home, without sharing.  The same goes for Bill Traylor, a freed slave who started drawing when he was in his 80s&#8211;simply out of a desire to draw.  He went to his grave having tried to satisfy the creative impulse, but without bringing attention to himself for doing so.  </p>
<p>A variation of this question came up last semester in the nonfiction workshop when Ray asked whether the students in the class would keep writing if they knew their work wouldn&#8217;t be published, and no one would ever read it. My answer is yes because I&#8217;ve always written and without thought to publication.  I don&#8217;t feel terribly compelled to try to publish my poetry, primarily because I&#8217;m never certain it&#8217;s that good, but I enjoy working on it. In those instances I do feel satisfied finishing a poem, then putting it aside and starting another.  On the other hand, I tend to have an eye toward publication when I&#8217;m working on my essays. And if those essays were never going to be read/published, I&#8217;d like to think I&#8217;d still craft them. The same goes with my visual art.  I&#8217;m content to scribble and draw in my sketchbook and not show anyone what I&#8217;m doing, but I&#8217;m always interested in showing my photography. (So, I guess my response to your last question has to do with how I perceive the strength of my work&#8230;when I&#8217;m confident in its quality, I&#8217;m willing to share.  When I&#8217;m not, I&#8217;m willing to work on it and keep it to myself.) (Which brings in the issue of ego, I suppose)</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
		<link>http://puzzlebox.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/realms-of-the-unreal/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think &quot;shared&quot; art comes from a &quot;less authentic&quot; place.  I may show you but I don&#039;t really care if you like it or not.  Praise is nice and I may hope others enjoy my work but the creation itself is for my pleasure, not yours.  If it was about &quot;you&quot; I&#039;d be making custom versions of everything I write instead of ignoring most comments and criticism.

Besides, we don&#039;t know that Darger didn&#039;t have the desire to share his work, only that he didn&#039;t.  We can only speculate: he didn&#039;t want to or he may have had the desire but didn&#039;t for various reasons.

That is, I  think, a more interesting question: what of art we wish to share but don&#039;t?  What are the reasons, real or imagined, that hold us back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think &#8220;shared&#8221; art comes from a &#8220;less authentic&#8221; place.  I may show you but I don&#8217;t really care if you like it or not.  Praise is nice and I may hope others enjoy my work but the creation itself is for my pleasure, not yours.  If it was about &#8220;you&#8221; I&#8217;d be making custom versions of everything I write instead of ignoring most comments and criticism.</p>
<p>Besides, we don&#8217;t know that Darger didn&#8217;t have the desire to share his work, only that he didn&#8217;t.  We can only speculate: he didn&#8217;t want to or he may have had the desire but didn&#8217;t for various reasons.</p>
<p>That is, I  think, a more interesting question: what of art we wish to share but don&#8217;t?  What are the reasons, real or imagined, that hold us back?</p>
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		<title>By: cydney</title>
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		<dc:creator>cydney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s fascinating. Is the art in the MAKING of the art? Or the sharing of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s fascinating. Is the art in the MAKING of the art? Or the sharing of it?</p>
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		<title>By: snazyink</title>
		<link>http://puzzlebox.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/realms-of-the-unreal/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>snazyink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very possible that his day job as to most people &quot; he was just a janitor&quot; sadly is how society judges people. Creating his art was his way out of the so called &quot;shame&quot; some feel because we have put titles on such a pedestal and his title was simple. I for one quit working for people who do not think you are worth a damn, and they do not see how artists see, i quit because art to me is living....a 9-5 with nothing in the end isnt... See for yourself  http://snazyink.com/prints_and_originals</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very possible that his day job as to most people &#8221; he was just a janitor&#8221; sadly is how society judges people. Creating his art was his way out of the so called &#8220;shame&#8221; some feel because we have put titles on such a pedestal and his title was simple. I for one quit working for people who do not think you are worth a damn, and they do not see how artists see, i quit because art to me is living&#8230;.a 9-5 with nothing in the end isnt&#8230; See for yourself  <a href="http://snazyink.com/prints_and_originals" rel="nofollow">http://snazyink.com/prints_and_originals</a></p>
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